Another fire Truck??

Discussion in 'Tesla' started by David Green, May 12, 2018.

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  1. David Green

    David Green Well-Known Member

    Yeah, I think they have to find other solutions with adaptive cruise control. I will test this on my I-pace when it comes...
     
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  3. bwilson4web

    bwilson4web Well-Known Member Subscriber

    Expensive call.

    Bob Wilson
     
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  4. bwilson4web

    bwilson4web Well-Known Member Subscriber

    My experience with both our Prime and BMW i3 is the closing rate determines whether or not the car will react and come to a stop behind traffic. Below 35 mph, it seems to work. Above 35 mph, no way.

    Bob Wilson
     
  5. David Green

    David Green Well-Known Member

    Yes, No kidding... I think the police should charge her with reckless endangerment, because she is just lucky the firetruck was stopped to keep her from blowing through the intersection, and possible causing worse injuries to other people.
     
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  6. David Green

    David Green Well-Known Member

    Some cars have good AEB, while others are not as good.
     
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  8. bwilson4web

    bwilson4web Well-Known Member Subscriber

    This is why I carefully tested the driving modes. Sad to say, this does not seem to be a universal sentiment.

    Bob Wilson
     
  9. I had this same thought earlier. This could easily have been a multiple fatality situation had she sailed unimpeded into the intersection.
     
  10. Martin Williams

    Martin Williams Active Member

    I thought the autopilot was doing the sailing, not her.
     
  11. A ship sails, a captain controls how it sails.
     
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  13. Martin Williams

    Martin Williams Active Member

    Well, we won't argue. But these cars are supposed to permit this sort of activity by the driver surely?
     
  14. Sorry, I'm not sure what you're asking. Is the car supposed to allow drivers to look at their phones? (No)
     
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  15. Martin Williams

    Martin Williams Active Member

    Why not? It is supposed to drive the car isn't it? What is the driver supposed to do? Sit at the wheel poised to take over whenever the car looks like its going to kill them?

    If this is suppposed to be a 'self driving car' then it's a pretty poor effort.

    In fact, the idea of a car which does most things for ages and ages and then expects humans to take over at a moment's notice and do the right thing is a very bad one indeed. People's attention wanders, and when the time for action arrives they are extremely ill-prepared and are quite likely to make matters worse. This has been discovered to be the case with aircraft and trains many times and sadly it appears to be the case in cars too.
     
  16. Yes.

    It's not supposed to be a self-driving car. It's an advanced driver-assistance systems (ADAS), as I mentioned previously.

    Yes, I remember the day when the autopilot function was finally removed from aircraft. /s

    But seriously, if people have reservations about Autopilot, they don't need to buy it. It is, though, Tesla owners' favorite feature.
     
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  17. Martin Williams

    Martin Williams Active Member

    Well, autopilots - even simple WW2 gyro systems - work well in aircraft. It is a lot easier due to the absence of unexpected events like fire trucks at 37,000 feet, which are common on roads. Even so, it is minimised in passenger aircraft by ensuring, by procedures and periodic requirements of the of the aircraft system itself too, that the crew is kept sufficiently busy for their attention not to wander.

    There is quite a lot of debate about the danger of Tesla's approach. Ford, for instance, believes Level 3 cars to be dangerous and will have nothing to do with it.

    https://medium.com/self-driving-cars/blurring-the-line-between-level-2-and-level-3-d16529794e1
    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/jan/24/self-driving-cars-dangerous-period-false-security
    https://www.wired.com/2017/01/human-problem-blocking-path-self-driving-cars/

    And many more!
     
  18. Pushmi-Pullyu

    Pushmi-Pullyu Well-Known Member

    I remember you posted some nonsense which included some math, apparently in an attempt to fool casual readers into thinking what you posted wasn't nonsense.

    I see you're still trying to double down on that nonsense. "Three out of four battery cars igniting"... What kind of idiot would actually believe that most production BEVs -- or heck, even prototypes -- have caught fire?

    I mean seriously, dude. :eek:
     
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  19. Pushmi-Pullyu

    Pushmi-Pullyu Well-Known Member

    Airplane autopilots work well in the conditions they are designed to work in, which does not include takoffs, landings, or flying in rough weather.

    Tesla Autopilot+AutoSteer (I wish people would not keep saying just "Autopilot", which includes a monitoring system which is always on and cannot be shut off) also works well when it is used in the conditions for which it was designed. It's a lane-following system, and is not intended to replace attentive driving. For example, Autopilot+AutoSteer is not designed to react to stationary obstacles, and that includes fire trucks parked in a traffic lane on the highway!

     
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  20. Martin Williams

    Martin Williams Active Member

    Isn't it Tesla who refer to it as 'Autopilot'?
     
  21. Pushmi-Pullyu

    Pushmi-Pullyu Well-Known Member

    Yes, unfortunately, they do.

    This is perhaps my #1 pet peeve about Tesla's public relations. It's true that Tesla considers Autopilot to include all its driving assist features, including, AutoSteer, but to talk about "turning Autopilot on" or "turning it off", or saying "the car was under the control of Autopilot", or that it wasn't... all that is both confusing and misleading.

    Whether or not AutoSteer is controlling the car's steering, Autopilot is always on in the background. Autopilot doesn't just control AutoSteer; it also controls automatic emergency braking and the automatic parallel parking feature, among other things. Obviously that's not something you'd want to turn off!

    When the car isn't being controlled by AutoSteer, Autopilot runs a lane-keeping simulation to compare against what the human driver is doing.

     
  22. Martin Williams

    Martin Williams Active Member

    Whatever you call it, it appears not to be a very good idea.

    But then, neither are battery cars, especially ones powered by potentially dangerous batteries. By buying a Tesla, you can experience both risks simultaneously as well as spending a great deal of cash to do so. Who could resist such an offer?
     
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  23. Tesla isn't the only only with this type of system. They are just called different things. Cadillac has Super Cruise; Nissan has ProPILOT, to name two examples.
    They are options which people don't have to buy, but those who do typically enjoy them.
    So, we all understand now that these ADAS systems have no appeal for you. Position noted. Let's move on. Thanks.
     

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