$174 Billion for electric vehicle investment

Like I said, Recoil45 is only interested in his own opinions. His opinions appear to be based on conservative conspiracy theories, not facts. It’s a waste of time trying to get Recoil45 to face reality or to show compassion for the human race, they have to be forced into a better world kicking and screaming by people that care a lot more about the world and reality than they do.


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So you are saying you don’t care about doing anything that might reduce tension in the world and reduce potential for another war. I think billions of people on this planet would strongly disagree with your opinion.


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It sounds like you resent under developed countries making progress and competing with the USA. The reality is that the USA has spent billions and fought many wars so that many of those countries could have stable economies. Now that the fruit of our efforts are paying off and many of those countries are able to compete on the world market place, you resent their success.

And to regain our world dominance in manufacturing you want to go back to the good oil days of air pollution, energy insecurity and dependence on other countries for our oil supply. The world has changed and the USA’s position in world has changed forever and you need to except that. The USA can still be a leader in this world but we do that by working with the world, not by building walls and shutting ourselves off from the rest of the world.


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The ozone depletion is not so much of a problem now because the world has taken action through technology and international agreements, not because the problem just magically disappeared as you seam to indicate. The world overcomes problems by coming together and finding solutions, not by ignoring them.


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I said AMERICANS, that means the majority of people in the USA. That’s right, a MAJORITY of people in the USA (this obviously doesn’t include you) want a better life for themselves and their children are willing to work and pay for that better world free of air and water pollution. LMAO that.


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China and India are struggling with much air pollution problems because they were trying to catch up to the USA production levels, that’s true but they also now have vehicle electrification plans that are much more aggressive than the ones in the USA. So what’s your spin, to roll back USA emission controls until our cities are just polluted as those in India and China? I would rather have clean air and energy security in the USA now and let the rest of the world catch up when they can.


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You did not prove me wrong in any way. What I said was "not to mention the problems caused by the loss of the ozone layer" and your response was, "This is a false statement". Your response indicates that you did not believe in the science related to ozone layer depletion. Then you appeared to perform a back flip and supported MY argument by identifying "US businesses spent billions on lowering ozone depleting chemicals" and by stating "nearly all damage currently being done to the ozone layer is done by countries that the Paris accord puts less pressure on.

I seriously doubt that you have any idea whether China is the biggest offender of ozone depleting gasses and I also seriously doubt that you have any idea exactly what the China or the USA have agreed to in the Paris Accord. Your statements appear to be just baseless rhetoric designed to support your conspiracy theories. BTW, the treaty regulating ozone depleting substances was the 1988 Montreal Protocol treaty and has not the Paris Accord.

 

Our environmental standards suck and if they are the amongst in the world then I pity to world. Every year major population centers in the USA get more and more polluted as reported by the EPA's Non-Attainment reports. The USA can ill afford a heavy tariff war with China or with any other country, that's way trying to work these issues over treaties like the Paris Accords is so important.

You sure don't want to pay for clean air. Nothing comes for free in this world. Instead of touting baseless, conservative, conspiracy theories you need to start making socially responsible choices however tough they may be.

 

There is nothing false in the statement that your initial statement indicated that you are a disbeliever in climate science. Now you are saying you are a believer in climate science? That is refreshing to hear from a right leaning conspiracy theorist.

Even your own references disagree with your statements. "A substantial fraction" is hardly the same as "the biggest offender of Ozone depleting gasses". China probably is the biggest offender of ozone depleting gases but you have provided no information that backs up your speculative claim.

This blatant disinformation supported by your own distorted conservative views. Nobody that supports the American Jobs Plan wants to put Americans out of work or wants to shift pollution to China. As a matter of fact the plan is intended to position the USA to out-compete China.

Oh come on, don't give up now. Just like with Trump in the 2020 election, it feels so good to watch you lose again and again and again and...