EV with transmission

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  1. bwilson4web

    bwilson4web Well-Known Member Subscriber

    Source: https://www.electronicdesign.com/automotive/scalable-e-drive-integrates-multi-speed-transmission?sfvc4enews=42&cl=article_1_b&utm_rid=CPG05000004808450&utm_campaign=28610&utm_medium=email&elq2=566761d8ff794da7bcd2a64a645e711e&oly_enc_id=8010I2616490C1C

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    Today's electric drives are usually designed without transmission; at the most, they may include a reduction gear to lower rpm speed. In addition, the absence of a gearbox makes the drive units simpler and thus more robust and cheaper. They are also more compact than a unit with a transmission.

    Ricardo's engineers took exactly the opposite approach when developing their scalable electric drive unit (EDU). The unit is intended to provide state-of-the-art power and torque density as well as system efficiency, and all of that with high noise, vibration, and harshness (NVH) performance.

    Why did Ricardo's engineers choose such an adversarial approach? “A multi-speed transmission is clearly more costly than a single speed unit, but it's use can give benefits in terms of weight reduction and more compact sizing of the electric motor, improved whole system cost, energy efficiency, and a hence the potential for a reduced battery size or extended range”, explained a company spokesperson. He was convinced that “the use of multi-speed EDUs is likely to be an increasing trend in the market in the coming five years.”
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    I understand the reasoning but am not a fan of this approach because it has too many parts. On the positive side, lower traction battery voltages can be used because keeping the motor rpm low minimizes reverse EMI. BUT lower voltages come at the expense of higher currents. Worse, I hate shift points.

    Bob Wilson
     
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  3. davidtm

    davidtm Active Member

    And I understand that lower voltage means lower charging speeds

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  4. Roy_H

    Roy_H Active Member

    Well, Porsche did it to get very high speed top end and retain good acceleration at low speeds. I think this is the only rational for 2-speed transmission on BEVs. Doing it to save on motor size? What is the cost differential of building a larger electric motor, I would argue very little vs cost of transmission.
     
  5. Roy_H

    Roy_H Active Member

    Well, Porsche did it to get very high speed top end and retain good acceleration at low speeds. I think this is the only rational for 2-speed transmission on BEVs. Doing it to save on motor size? What is the cost differential of building a larger electric motor, I would argue very little vs cost of transmission.
     
  6. Roy_H

    Roy_H Active Member

    Well, Porsche did it to get very high speed top end and retain good acceleration at low speeds. I think this is the only rational for 2-speed transmission on BEVs. Doing it to save on motor size? What is the cost differential of building a larger electric motor, I would argue very little vs cost of transmission.
     
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  8. Roy_H

    Roy_H Active Member

    Well, Porsche did it to get very high speed top end and retain good acceleration at low speeds. I think this is the only rational for 2-speed transmission on BEVs. Doing it to save on motor size? What is the cost differential of building a larger electric motor, I would argue very little vs cost of transmission.
     
  9. bwilson4web

    bwilson4web Well-Known Member Subscriber

    They had a transmission manufacturing capability and pound-for-pound, a steel-aluminum case transmission is fairly cheap compared to a wider range RPM, EV motor. But there are few public roads where that kind of speed range makes sense. Racetrack, yes, public roads, no way.

    Bob Wilson
     

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