Breaking News: car salesmen are liars!

insightman · Mar 9, 2023

First_Bolt said: ↑

Now a different man shows up, This is general manager Marcus Andrews. Tells me that $29,790 might go up maybe $500 or $1,000.

"So we take the risk, and you don't the other way around?"
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Tell them to reduce their "market adjustment" to keep the "agreed" price the same when your Bolt arrives.

How many showers did you have to take when you got home before you felt uncontaminated?

First_Bolt · Apr 24, 2023

Domenick said: ↑

I know we're all different, but if a salesperson said this to me, I'd be walking out. There are Chevrolet dealers who don't charge above MSRP and I'd consider checking with every a 300-mile radius. If none, then maybe a little bigger circle. You can have the car delivered to you and it would certainly be a lot less than $2,000.
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OK, here's an update: more than a month goes by. I call GM customer support to ask about the progress of my order. They have no record of my order, and I tell them I was never given an Order Number by Lee Johnson. They're shocked! No order number? So I visit L.J. and want to talk to my salesman but he's very busy, and promises to call me later. An hour later he phones. I complain that GM doesn't know anything about my order, and ask if Lee Johnson is just sitting on my $2,500 deposit? He apologizes and tells me he'll email me the Order Number promptly, and that I'm in the queue with six cars ahead of me, and he'll keep me informed of my Bolt's progress. The email arrives and I'm satisfied. Now it's just a waiting game.

First_Bolt · Apr 24, 2023

insightman said: ↑

Tell them to reduce their "market adjustment" to keep the "agreed" price the same when your Bolt arrives.

How many showers did you have to take when you got home before you felt uncontaminated?
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Ha Ha! Actually the salesman was pleasant, it was the General Manager that was irritating.

Domenick · Apr 25, 2023

First_Bolt said: ↑

OK, here's an update: more than a month goes by. I call GM customer support to ask about the progress of my order. They have no record of my order, and I tell them I was never given an Order Number by Lee Johnson. They're shocked! No order number? So I visit L.J. and want to talk to my salesman but he's very busy, and promises to call me later. An hour later he phones. I complain that GM doesn't know anything about my order, and ask if Lee Johnson is just sitting on my $2,500 deposit? He apologizes and tells me he'll email me the Order Number promptly, and that I'm in the queue with six cars ahead of me, and he'll keep me informed of my Bolt's progress. The email arrives and I'm satisfied. Now it's just a waiting game.
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Frustrating, but it's progress.

Howie · Apr 29, 2023

First_Bolt said: ↑

OK, here's an update: more than a month goes by. I call GM customer support to ask about the progress of my order. They have no record of my order, and I tell them I was never given an Order Number by Lee Johnson. They're shocked! No order number? So I visit L.J. and want to talk to my salesman but he's very busy, and promises to call me later. An hour later he phones. I complain that GM doesn't know anything about my order, and ask if Lee Johnson is just sitting on my $2,500 deposit? He apologizes and tells me he'll email me the Order Number promptly, and that I'm in the queue with six cars ahead of me, and he'll keep me informed of my Bolt's progress. The email arrives and I'm satisfied. Now it's just a waiting game.
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At 73 yrs old, I decided I didn't want to wait or deal with the GM dealers. Last month I went to Paramount Motors on 6th Ave S in Seattle and bought a 2017 LT with a new battery, blind spot monitoring, rear collision alert and heated seats and steering wheel and the extra rear deck. They specialize in EVs and it was a good experience. With the $4,000 tax credit off my 2023 tax bill, the price was under $19,000. They might be worth looking at if you don't mind the first generation Bolt and aren't locked in. No haggling or trying to sell you extras.

LCTROID · May 1, 2023

I'm disappointed in hearing this. I bought from Lee Johnson back in Dec. and I can get names if anyone wants, but the Mgr. I dealt with was named James. I think the Sales Mgr.
Everybody I worked with was amazing. Didn't pay anything over MSRP but we bought a Premier.
But... we got extremely lucky. I made a random call to them on a Wed. Was told they had one to test drive & we'd only driven a KIA EV6. Also had a $500 deposit down on an order for the EV6. Got a call that Friday evening from James who said, "I have some bad news." I replied, "You sold it." He said, "Yes, but possibly good news. A woman ordered one Bolt EV but somehow two identical cars arrived last night on the transport."
We were the second people in the door the next morning (they were buying a truck). 5 min. into the test drive we drove back & bought it.
Absolute 2nd least hassle I've ever had buying a car in 41 years.

OneEV · Feb 19, 2024

First_Bolt said: ↑

Just got home from Lee Johnson Chevrolet. Talked to salesman "Thomas", a very pleasant experience. Things went well. He tells me the car might arrive in maybe two months.
Works out like this:
Vehicle = $26,500
L2 Charge Cord = $295
Destination Charge = $995 (they told me at the beginning this was ***included*** in the MSRP. I didn't notice this until just now)
Dealer Markup = $2,000 (They called this a "Market Adjustment" not a "dealer markup". Whatever.)
Total = $29,790
I signed some papers. Credit Application, etc. They ran a credit check (OK). Told them when the car arrives I'll need the VIN for the loan from my Credit Union. (OK). Paid the deposit, got a receipt.
Now a different man shows up, This is general manager Marcus Andrews. Tells me that $29,790 might go up maybe $500 or $1,000.
I tell him "No, we have a contract."
"No, it's not a 'contract', it's an 'agreement'" he says, "GM might up the MSRP and you have to pay it. Onstar's price might change."
"Onstar is an option I don't want."
"It's part of the package."
"Yes, you have it listed here as STANDARD. I won't pay a penny above $29,790. If you bump MSRP up, I'll walk and you can sell it to someone else," I say.
"What if the MSRP drops?" he asks.
"So much the better, eh?" I say.
"So we take the risk, and you don't the other way around?"
"When the car arrives, I'm paying $29,790 and not a penny more."
"Yes, I'd rather end this right here, if that's your attitude," he says. (I only glare at him.) "Fine, then we'll refund your $2,500."
"Yes, all of it."
I go to the Finance guy and put a deposit down of $2,500 on a base model Bolt 1LT EV. It clears immediately. I don't realize until I arrive home that ***I*** signed a bunch of paper, but I don't have a signature ***from them*** other than the receipt. I'm serious about not paying a penny more.
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My suggestion is to walk anyways .. paying 30k for a Bolt is insane. You cant road trip it.(well you can but all you'll do is piss everyone off at the DCFCs as you take an 1-1/2 hours to charge. I drove one for 3 years. Consider getting something that is a bit larger and actually fast charges. You can get aVinFast on lease for $250 a Month.. $250 a month , thats screaming deal. The EV battery sector is moving so fast that in 3 years you'll be look at 400-600 mil range evs for 35K-40k.

Dont get me wrong I loved the Bolt for the time (not many other choices then) it was "ok" .Charging just so so bad though. HVAC is terrible drains the battery fast

Fred R · Mar 3, 2024

Where did you get that great lease deal ?

OneEV · Mar 3, 2024

Fred R said: ↑

Where did you get that great lease deal ?
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Fred you asking about my posts? If so just go to VinFasts website vinfastauto.us

$249 a month for the base ..I think $299 for the top version with panoroof etc..

Look were talking 260 miles of range , OK charging ..think it tops out at 135kW..like the original ID 4 before update.

The idea for me is while it may not be the nicests ev out there , a few bugs here and there(software..will get worked out. something seems like all new EVs initially have ssues with)

But for me I look at it like this from a working persons prespective that cant just spend 60k every 3,4,5 years on a new ev,.. in 3 years we will start seeing solid state batteries really coming to market fast, all the new EVs will be getting at least 350 miles of range with some upto 700 miles of range. Charging times on all the new evs with solidstate should be be 10-15 minute range . so with a $250 a month lease I can save/set aside./nvest another 300-500 a month for a hefty downpayment new ev (that I or maybe you really want)when range and charging spppeds are no longer any issue at all.

$250 a month, that's really a great deal . I pay $600 a month on my ID 4. which while a bit better build quality ..well if I VinFast was offering these deals when I was looking 10 months ago...I would have taken that over the ID 4.

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