Charging our new Mini.

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  1. MrSnrub

    MrSnrub Well-Known Member

    Our delivery MA mentioned it while explaining the charging timers to us but I was sorta zoned out. I know this because my wife knew about it. I’m more of an RTFM person
     
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  3. patash

    patash New Member

    Sorry to argue, but there is NOTHING within that gobbledegook on Page 229 that is "clearly stated". It suggests that a Mode 3 Cable is something only for fast charging stations rather than domestic (I think my home would be called domestic) and with the back and forth still never once does it say how or where to go to set my car for faster charge using the provided charger cable (nowhere does it tell me if that's a Mode 2 or 3) plugged in to my home 240 outlet. I am not an electrical or electronic genius, but to me "CLEAR" would be if said something like "When you plug the charger into a 240 volt outlet you need to go to your screen within the car find ______ and set it for fast charge rather than slow charge (or something like that). After reading that stuff several times I still don't know if the cable included with the car is a Mode2 or a Mode3 or how to set the settings to make my car charge faster when plugged into a 240 volt outlet. Maybe you see that, but I don't.
     
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  4. MrSnrub

    MrSnrub Well-Known Member

    Invest in an EVSE. The OEM unit is “okay” but damn compared to proper EVSE it looks like a dinky toy. I tossed mine back in the bag in the car if I ever need to use it elsewhere
     
  5. teslarati97

    teslarati97 Well-Known Member

    My Level 1 120V charger is still unwrapped and I carry a Tesla adapter instead.
     
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  6. MrSnrub

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  8. SameGuy

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    Nicely done, MrYlpmis.
     
  9. SameGuy

    SameGuy Well-Known Member Subscriber

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    I still haven’t ordered my Tap. Do they ever go on sale? Or is there a cheaper one of equivalent quality?
     
  10. patash

    patash New Member

    Can you quote the specific lines that describe when you plug your charger into a 240 volt outlet where you do on your settings to make it faster charge than what was apparently the factory setting? I simply cannot find that statement or explanation.
     
  11. MrSnrub

    MrSnrub Well-Known Member

    Any benefit? Or it’s an emergency measure ?
     
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  13. SameGuy

    SameGuy Well-Known Member Subscriber

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    Yeah a back-up. For places like the Chateau Vaudreuil and others have Tesla destination chargers but no J1772.
     
  14. fishbert

    fishbert Well-Known Member

    I was unfamiliar with the 'mode' terminology as well (and it was confusingly different than charging 'level').
    But here's an explainer (source):

    The IEC 61851-1 Committee on “Electric vehicle conductive charging system” has then defined 4 Modes of charging. In Europe, these modes are the ones widely used across different E-Mobility technical documents, reports and marketing brochures.
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    Mode 1 (Schuko mode) refers to the charging household outlet with a simple extender cable without any safety devices in between. Though the household outlet is protected by a fuse, it’s response is very slow that makes Mode 1 charging quite un-safe. It is also forbidden in many parts of world (yet it is in use in some parts of the Europe). We strongly discourage the use of Schuko charging.

    Mode 2 also refers to the charging from the household outlet; but with a control and protection device inserted in the cable (called as IC-CPD = In-Cable Control and Protection Device). This mode of charging is much safer than the Schuko, however the charging capacity will be limited to the max rating of the outlet (which is typically 10A @ 230V = 2.3KW maximum).

    Mode 3 refers to the dedicated charge point (EVSE) with proper control and protection. This is the widely used mode of charging across the world and in Europe, it can range from 3.8KW to 22KW AC charging.

    Mode 4 refers to DC charging. EV’s on-board charger is by-passed and the charging station provides DC voltage directly to the battery via a DC connectors.​
     
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  16. Puppethead

    Puppethead Well-Known Member

    That seems more confusing than North America's Level 1/Level 2/DCFC. Mode-1 seems extremely unwise, and Mode-2 is confusing. Is IC-CPD sort of like GFCI? Even for North America's Level 1 there's an EVSE involved.
     
  17. sacharama

    sacharama Active Member

    See attached screenshots
     

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  19. insightman

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  20. SameGuy

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    Excellent
     
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  22. fishbert

    fishbert Well-Known Member

    It's a completely different classification... it sits in parallel with Level 1/2/3 and describes the connection, not the charge rate.

    Also from that same source:
    Charging "levels" are used to categorize the rated power, voltage and current of the charging system. There are 3 different EV charging levels, defined by SAE J1772.

    Charging "modes" are used to categorize the mode of power delivery, protection installation and communication/control of charging system. There are 4 different EV charging modes, defined by the international standard IEC 61851-1.​

    No, not like GFCI... 'Mode 2' is basically BMW/MINI's Flexible Fast Charger that comes with new Cooper SEs these days.
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  23. Puppethead

    Puppethead Well-Known Member

    Except the Flexible Fast Charger is an EVSE indicating a "mode 3" charging scenario, no idea what an "IC-CPD" is.
     

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