Tesla Opens Its Charge Connector

Discussion in 'General' started by OldEVGuy, Nov 12, 2022.

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  1. Anyone else following this news from yesterday? Here is the article from Electrek. Take a look at their take on the announcement. If only one automaker decides to adopt Tesla’s connector, or now the North American Charging Standard (NACS), it would qualify Tesla’s Supercharger network for the NEVI funds. After this announcement was made, Aptera announced they would be using the Tesla connector. This might qualify Tesla to receive the funds, without having to put CCS on their network.

    https://electrek.co/2022/11/11/tesla-opens-ev-charge-connector-hope-making-new-standard/
     
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  3. ericy

    ericy Well-Known Member

    If they wanted their connector to be the standard, they should have truly opened it something like 8 years ago.

    I don't know if getting Aptera onboard itself is sufficient to get NEVI funds.
     
  4. Good for NA, beats CCS hands down, however, may be an issue in Europe with 3 Phase Type 2...so I don't see this as becoming a "world" standard. Particularly when V2G or V2H is utilized.
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  5. insightman

    insightman Well-Known Member Subscriber

    If Tesla had made their charging stations available to other vehicles, their overwhelming numbers would have done the trick. Perhaps Tesla could have charged owners of their vehicles a lower rate instead of making the charging stations Tesla-only.
     
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  6. bwilson4web

    bwilson4web Well-Known Member Subscriber

    Turn the clock back to 2019 and my choice was clear, SuperCharger.

    Now if the J1772 standard included the same electrical specs as the Tesla connector, the problem today is solved.

    Bob Wilson
     
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  8. Puppethead

    Puppethead Well-Known Member

    The Tesla connector would be perfect for ATVs and yard equipment like electric riding lawn mowers, not to mention other "small-engine" equipment. Too bad all that stuff's still being built around 120 V charging.
     
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  9. insightman

    insightman Well-Known Member Subscriber

    I would guess the first electric ATV/yard-equipment manufacturer that offers Level 2 charging would create an instantly popular niche for themselves. Especially popular for the professional yard-maintenance businesses who are going "green" to set themselves apart from their carbon-intensive competitors. They need to charge and get back to work as quickly as possible.
     
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  10. GetOffYourGas

    GetOffYourGas Well-Known Member

    More than opening up the standard, Tesla needs to relinquish control of it to a third party. The last thing I want to see is a legally enforced monopoly.


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  11. hobbit

    hobbit Well-Known Member

    So instead of adding CCS heads to the superchargers and making it possible for non-Tesla owners to
    sign up, they'll try to force their own "standard" into the future market? Do we *really* need yet another
    Beta/VHS battle?

    _H*
     
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  13. ericy

    ericy Well-Known Member

    A more useful standardization would be to put the charge ports in consistent locations for all cars. They could follow the Tesla lead and use either driver-rear, or passenger-front. Right now, they are all over the place, with every manufacturer doing their own thing.
     
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  14. GetOffYourGas

    GetOffYourGas Well-Known Member

    I personally don’t think those are great locations to begin with. Driver front is pretty good but in my experience front and center is the most convenient. This is where the port is on cars like the Leaf and Niro.

    I’m not convinced that port location is a more useful thing to standardize than plug type. With longer cords, it shouldn’t really matter much. Have you been to a recently upgraded EA charger? Compared to Tesla or older EA sites, the cords are long and flexible. They are much easier to use, regardless of port location.


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  15. Puppethead

    Puppethead Well-Known Member

    If ICE fuel tank port location is standardized, it took decades for it to happen. Remember some cars used to have it behind the rear license plate? I know ICE fuel ports tend to now typically be rear passenger side (at least for passenger cars), I think for safety purposes refueling on the side of the road.

    But EVs aren't like that, nobody's driving up with a can of fuel to pour into your batteries. And the charging cable gives flexibility so you don't have to stand next to the car. Front and center seems like the worst place to me. Not only does it interfere with the frunk or motor compartment, it only works well if the charger is arranged at the head of a parking spot. If chargers are in a row (as will be the case with on-street charging), you're now wrapping the cable around the front of the vehicle.
     
  16. GetOffYourGas

    GetOffYourGas Well-Known Member

    Neither Kia nor Nissan’s implementation of a front connector interfere with the hood operation. Street parking works fine too. Better at the front than anywhere on the driver’s side. The only issue is you cannot back in to a spot. It is generally safer to back into a parking spot (greater visibility backing in than out) but people rarely do it.

    I installed my EVSE towards the front of the garage so it could be accessible from the driveway too. It worked well because I could back my Leaf or Bolt into the garage. Now that I have a Mini Cooper SE, I am forced to pull straight in if I wish to charge. It is unfortunate.


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  17. Include Hyundai Kona EV in that front charge port location. It works well for me, especially at a public charging station where the cords are so tangled up, it is difficult to acquire more than a few feet without undue fuss and frustration, more notably more difficult in winter when the cords are hard to manipulate.;)
     
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  18. ericy

    ericy Well-Known Member

    There are none in my area (yet). The short cables are a real pain in the neck sometimes.
     
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  19. GetOffYourGas

    GetOffYourGas Well-Known Member

    They sure are! I think EA is in the middle of rolling out a nationwide update. Hopefully you see the new style soon.


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  20. hobbit

    hobbit Well-Known Member

    On the nose can get iffy in winter, when the lid ices up. Several Kona owners have added
    additional gasketing to the hatch cover to try and head off that problem.

    _H*
     
  21. bwilson4web

    bwilson4web Well-Known Member Subscriber

    We don’t get a lot of freezing wet weather in Dixie but I was wondering if the hydrophobic surface treatments like Rain-X would also work?

    Bob Wilson
     
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  22. GetOffYourGas

    GetOffYourGas Well-Known Member

    I live in the snowiest city in the US and never had a problem with my Leaf. Yes it’s anecdotal of course. Areas with more ice and freezing rain may be different.


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