Hydrogen is more fossil fuel welfare and fossil fuel hand outs without end

Discussion in 'Hydrogen fuel cell vehicles' started by 101101, Jul 2, 2020.

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  1. 101101

    101101 Well-Known Member

    Think of how ridiculous it is with Natural Gas front Nikola peddling long tail pipe natural gas in the the form of the welfare wagon Badger. Its whole promise is that some day it could, but never would, be driving off non natural gas derived hydrogen. Ask why they can't just do a natural gas fuel cell badger now. Because people don't want that because its dirty a little closer to home instead of more dirty a little further way but even less efficient than natural gas which is already non self-supporting and never will be. Its really really bad. Per cleaner watt the same amount of electricity in a kg of hydrogen which takes a Toyota Mirai 66 miles will take a Model 3 306 miles- Model three and pure BEV tech is about 5x more efficient and no matter what will produce about half the carbon under the worst conditions but can go full green right now where the whole point of the scam of hydrogen is to create another diversion and government funded Ponzi sunk cost to protect the fools who invested in natural gas from their own malevolence and stupidity in endless loss socialization.

    Sorry, but a welfare wagon is not country boy can survive. Fossil fuels are thermodynamically weak from the bottom of their supply chain through combustion and always have been, they are a super lean proposition not something real non-government profit could ever really be derived from they were always government grant programs that came at the expense of other things because not only did they always tie up capital but they were so wasteful they literally create austerity which is another word for impoverishment- really amazing they didn't drag the US down. They've literally been kept around because they drive scarcity and allow rent seeking by certain privileged types who think a contribution is finding a billion dollar nickel laying around on Federal land and paying the public a penny for it cause finders keepers. But it is all a welfare delusion of the worst sort where a society gets drained supporting non-contributing self appointed pretend elites. You get Bevis and Buthead presidents with buthead type goals.

    Remember when Trump came in and he was going to rescue the 'energy' fossil fuel industry because it was according to him "in shambles." When was it ever not in shambles? Never! And at that time Midwest banks and Deutsche Bank (only bank that would loan to him) were on the edge of bankruptcy over natural gas derivatives or insuring loans on permanently economically stranded fossil fuel assets, in short a ponzi scheme. That is what moral hazard and skin in the game rhetoric was really about. Fast forward and right before fossil fuels collapse for the 50th or 100th time in need of yet another bailout worse than the previous as always, right before that largest private funder of fossil fuel fraud Black Rock announced it was completely divesting fossil fuels and started that process... how did it know what was coming? Well right after that fossil fuels despite tariffs meant to protect them from more efficient green economies (obviously unsustainable) collapsed to the point that their value went negative they couldn't give it away without paying people to take it. There isn't a single additional kwh that the world needs to be supplied by fossil fuels. They are bad investments that were never really profitable even with subsides but will never ever on any basis be able to compete because their total superior replacement has arrived.

    Suspect on of the reasons there is so much whining about Musk becoming the richest person in the world (in theory- because it is all pretty cloaked and relative past a certain point) is for the same reason they didn't want the Saudi Sovereign Wealth Fund helping take Tesla private, they don't like the image of the of SA full divesting all of its fossil fuels (its announced intention) and buying into the green replacement just like the don't like the image of the richest person getting rich off accelerating the extinction of fossil fuels. This is all because they are just totally stranded an simply cannot economically or even politically compete anymore. And if not the US then China or Germany.

    Also wonder if Tesla held off with the Battery day despite the CATL announcements pending because they want to wait until they could release stuff to avoid the Osborn effect. They still have stuff with the Semi and the Roadster. The timing on this is so right. After becoming more valuable than the most historically valuable oil company (which defines fossil fuels, NG and coal don't) and more valuable than the most valuable ICE company and heading into the S&P, Tesla will solidify it with what is about to release. As I've said before the fossil fuel companies need to be ejected from the S&P 500 and 100 because they literally have no future and no viable path to one, these companies have become public enemies like the tobacco companies but much worse it is like the karma for stuff like 911. There were other ways than the PNAC which tried to chain he world to the 18th century. Some of it is hilarious watching the shilling going all out where they (JD Powers) lists Dodge the least reliable of companies but most emblematic of dumb ICE has having the most 'reliable' (implying least likely to strand you when that isn't what they ever actually measure even when their measurements aren't honest) and Tesla last despite Tesla having the highest customer satisfaction and brand loyalty ratings in the industry for most of its existence. Its that desperate and that delusory.

    But like return of the coon here comes the Badger named after a garbage disposal to try to lie people into believing that burning more natural gas than would be required to just use natural gas in natural gas powered vehicles and doing it just down the street is cleaner or competitive and not just an pathetic welfare Ponzi for the rich.

    So lets weed them out. Tesla thumbs up. VW thumbs up. Xpeng thumbs up. Mercedes couldn't figure out which side of CARB it and Nissan recently stupidly got back into FCV. If a firm still has FCV it detached from reality and needs new management and new share holders and new lobbyists. Its funny that it seems VW the automaker that got stung hardest by Diesel Gate might be the only ICE make to survive. GM is a joke and Ford might be too little too late, have to see.

    Saw MSNBC trying to lie and say Tesla Fremont had only been shut for a few weeks (they lie once and they should have their charter pulled) well It had been shut for 7 weeks but Tesla still broke even when the rest of the industry is imploding. That is a stress test. It proves demand, it proves cost efficiency, it proves profitability and it proves the shift or inflexion point and it proves the solidity of the vision.
     
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  3. 101101

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    Forgot something just to make the hydrogen from gas you put 2x as much energy in (in horrid natural gas) than you get out is actually net negative!!! But like light cigarettes its sold on the lie that someday for 3x the cost of horrid natural gas sourcing it could be done from clean solar and sea water. You'd have to believe in carbon sequestration but austerity inducing levels of corporate welfare to think this works, it doesn't and it can't. Really what they must be saying here is that hydrogen is actually dirtier than todays hybrids in a lot of ways. You believe the CO2 they'd want to pump back into one of their holes would stay their? Doubtful, think of all the leaks they constantly have. Its such nonsense its really fraud and criminality. And think how historically stupid the NG industry as been, they think you are going to pay huge premiums to insure their equipment on their land. Its just con, after con after con it was an industry designed by and for cons with crap like 'secret 'energy' policy' Its just so ridiculous how they twist things right down to toxic but natural gas and the 'energy' industry as if fossil fuels had any business having anything to do with energy since the birth of nuclear it would be like calling buggy makers the auto mobile industry.
     

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